ju
@ju@snac.nugole.it
Ok America. Pull this one off. Congress and Senate in a Blue tsunami. Do the thing and vote. Take us back from the edge please.
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Und ich hab heute erst mit dem Kleinen darüber gesprochen, dass man Tiere bitte nicht ableckt. Nicht, dass er das tun würde. Er wollte aber wissen, ob Feuersalamander giftig wären. Und ein Wort gab das andere und schließlich landeten wir bei "Tiere bitte nicht ablecken!".
@warandpeas Graditude is the cure to anger/greed. In a world full of selfish killer reptiles, live & die grateful.
E NO, NON LE REGALO A SAM ALTMAN. SONO MIE! IL MIO TESSSSORRROOOH! MEGEFHMEGHEFMGHEDF (risata schizzomalefica, tipo Gargamella)
I use 256GB to color in paint, screw you Altman
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Meme of an elderly woman saying she uses 64GB of RAM to play RollerCoaster Tycoon and wants Sam Altman to know it was her.
@stux Ooit draaide ik Windows Home 32 bits op een systeem met 16GB memory..... (kon even niet anders)
12GB was onbruikbaar.
@stux I use 32 GB to watch content on HBO and Disney+. To play video games as well, but mostly to watch series, films and documentaries, and also to create documents on overleaf 
@stux I used my PC with 64GB with only 64MB allowed to the Windows 95 VM I was running.
You know what Sam Altman can do with the other 65,473MB? He can just sit there and feel sad.
@stux is this some kind of joke? I hope it is...
because if it's a challenge, I can totally pull that off.
I just need to compile rollercoaster tycoon as a standalone UEFI application, might take me a while to figure out how to do it.
NVIDIA Brev security breach may have exposed SSH keys used to access customer VMs — investigation finds unauthorized activity spanning 16 days, but no evidence of misuse
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cyber-security/nvidia-brev-security-breach-may-have-exposed-ssh-keys-used-to-access-customer-vms-investigation-finds-unauthorized-activity-spanning-16-days-but-no-evidence-of-misuse?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
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If you want to avoid FOSS which uses GenAI/LLMs, there's a guide called "AI-free FOSS Alternatives" at:
🏡 https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/ai-free-foss-alternatives
It's heavy on technical terms and detail, so it's good for comparing different projects and navigating least-worst options, but does require some prior tech knowledge to understand.
It also has a section listing reasons why LLMs are problematic:
🏡 https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/ai-free-foss-alternatives/src/branch/main/why_not_llms.md
@homegrown
So you dare to talk about "ethical" and still call LLMs by the misleading brand "AI" while try to focus the hate on the technology itself instead of on the billionaires using that tech against people. Nice way to serve what the big tech industry exactly wants.
"So you dare to still call LLMs by the misleading brand AI"
Where did I do this?
"Cognitive ability have being obliterated by several other technologies before"
Calculators etc don't destroy the planet, give wrong answers so unpredictably that their working needs to be checked, hand over control of discourse to billionaires, steal labour etc.
LLMs are deceptive, disempowering and destructive technology.
@homegrown
Amazing you ask "where did i do this?" while you use the term "GenAI" in the first sentence of the initial message.
Also amazing how you evade to talk about the specific example i already put and give your own example of technology that makes cognitive discharge for humans, i guess you are hoping other examples can be sustained as better points for the discussion. Unfortunately you are wrong, all technologies are imperfect, specially at the beginning. Electronic calculators also had errors, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17051427 their results where sometimes "unpredictable" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMWwbvSmQnA
Also many technologies before did "steal labour". I guess you don't work today as manuscript copyist because the printing press completely destroyed that profession, you probably neither work as weaver because the automated loom also erased that profession and i could go on with hundreds of examples ending with the example you gave of calculators. Many human calculators did work in projects like decrypting enigma machine or calculating rocket trajectories at the Apolo program, that profession doesn't exist today. Are you arguing we should reject also all those technologies that "steal labour"?, or only the one you don't use? Is funny because probably you use the output of LLMs without noticing, for example if you anytime check weather forecast that are usually automated today.
About the "hand over control of discourse to billionaires" part, you can't blame that on technology itself, that's exactly what billionaires want you to do. Billionaires use many tools and all their power to get "control of discourse" like for example buying mass media and bribing politicians but i don't see you blaming internet or politicians about what billionaires do.
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"Amazing you ask "where did i do this?" while you use the term "GenAI" in the first sentence of the initial message."
GenAI doesn't mean the same thing as AI.
"Electronic calculators also had errors"
You've linked to an obscure error on the first model, not a general problem that affects all calculators.
LLMs are telling people to put glue on pizzas, eat rocks and claim there are two Rs in "strawberry". These are basic errors. It doesn't work, it is junk.
@homegrown
As far as "AI" is a misleading commercial brand that don't mean anything actually, anything based on that is equally misleading and wrong
Yes, i linked a couple of errors on a couple calculators, not so obscure. I can link you hundreds of errors on other calculators despite most of the errors occurred on the development of that technology never arrived to the public because in those times it was embarrassing for companies to sell an immature product, not like today it seems.
Just don't use LLMs to ask for a pizza recipe, please. Some specialized models with some specific software around it (they call it "harness") and under very specific circumstances can be useful for very specific tasks like for example code review, but nothing more so far. Don't try to argue that LLMs are unethical because people deceived by propaganda try to use that technology to ask for a pizza recipe.
@homegrown
Finally i don't disagree completely with the sentence "LLMs are deceptive, disempowering and destructive technology". All technologies are "deceptive" in some degree, specially at the beginning. All technologies are "disempowering" for some people but empowering for others. All technologies are potentially "destructive". I dare you to name 1 single technology that can't be "destructive" used in the wrong way, as the ruling class (billionaires) is building and using LLMs today.
I don't see you refusing all human technology as you should do if you want to be coherent with your discourse. I can tell so far you are using computers and internet and electricity, all of them very "destructive" technologies in the way things are done in this reality we face. But things don't need to be necessarily as they are now. All technology could be build and used in ethical ways if people used more their intelligence and less their selfishness.
By that logic, everything should be allowed because nothing is pure?
There are some things that are worse than others. LLMs are substantially worse than the technologies it is trying to replace, partly because it doesn't do what it claims.
All that LLMs do is spit out a statistically-likely answer based on what humans have written in its "training data". It has no ability to analyse or reject anything, that's why its answers are so often wrong and self-contradicting. It's junk.
@homegrown
Your "by that logic" phrase is a non-sequitur fallacy. I never mentioned the word "pure" neither talked about "everything". The discussion was about technology and it's problems, remember?
I didn't notice that LLMs were "trying to replace" (broadly) any other specific technology. I thought it was doing (mostly) things that none other technology to date could do. Please educate me if i'm wrong.
I agree completely that LLMs are statistic machines but that's not a point to reject completely that technology, much less to blame the technology for the bad use some people make of it. The problem i see is that this technology have been sold to us by the millionaire class as "intelligence" and that's a very misleading and dangerous lie. Nobody should trust completely on the output any technology provide, specially on the early stages of development. LLMs and the tools around are still on early stages of development just in case you don't know. That technology is being sold as mature while clearly is not. Is improving fast but yes, is being "junk" for a long time and many people have being deceived not by the technology itself but for the big tech propaganda to try to desperately sell us an immature product. Things don't need to be necessarily like that, our stupid society make things like that, don't blame the technology.
A question for anyone to answer—
Do you know what the source said for Ren'Py's last untainted version? Nitter has been taken down; that's where the source link in the guide goes.
I guessed the version would be 7.4.5 from the dates RenpyTom might have had access to the experimental LLMs. But that isn't solid evidence.
In the ethical-foss's guide, 7.4.6 is listed.
@homegrown bro, just use BSD distros at this point. Like literally, Linux itself has a ton of AI code.
@XavianFox @homegrown
Ohh i wish i could be so innocent to believe i can distinguish if a submitted code patch is written by human or machine at this point. Anyway nice try to trow FUD against Linux while they are simply facing reality and acting accordingly.
Paelnever, please don't accuse people of spreading FUD without any evidence.
@homegrown @XavianFox
Sorry but i have plenty of evidence. I've seen how this anti-Linux discourse (specifically this time with the anti-"AI" excuse) comes in coordinated waves with the same script on several different media. I've being discussing with them and only inside mastodon i've detected so far 3 anti-Linux trolls, 1 of them recognized he hates Linux, another recognized he was trolling. Also detected one bot spreading that kind of anti-LLM FUD against Debian (a Linux distro) which is hilariously contradictory if you think it.
Non lo so Jack, sarebbe pure una bella idea in generale, ma la vedo davvero difficile.
Alla fine credo che non sia stata considerata una cosa.
Ok, il #digitale a metà prezzo.
Ma se te lo devi stampare tu, magari in modo decente, a colori con una rilegatura perché vuoi una cosa fatta bene, alla fine spendi di più; perché stampare in autonomia costa!
Non ci avevate pensato?
Esempio: un libro di testo di 400pp a colori, su carta patinata, copertina rigida ecc, può costare nuovo intorno ai 20/25€.
Se vai in copisteria, stampare 400 pp a colori può costarti tra i 200 e i 250€
(0.5 cent a copia circa) e sto rimanendo basso coi prezzi.
Lo fai in b/n? Ok, siamo comunque intorno agli 80€ (0.2cent a copia).
Di cosa diavolo stiamo parlando? Vogliamo far risparmiare la gente facendogli spendere di più?
La gente che ragiona così è la stessa che mi critica perché quando vado a Sarnafigi in auto a comperare 3 forme di formaggio, visitando nel contempo almeno 3 ferramenta, inquino di più che a far muovere (solo per me, non ci sono altri clienti in zona) quattro furgoni, uno per negozio, che mi consegnino le cose a casa in 24 ore.
Ovviamente i furgoni sono alimentati a pipì di unicorno, non a nafta.
@Uilebheist @GustavinoBevilacqua @ju cosa che è già così, almeno nei primi cicli scolastici.
Ti obbligano a produrre contenuti digitali e poi vietano di portare dispositivi elettronici a scuola.
Certo, i dispositivi dovrebbero già essere a scuola, ma spesso non ci sono.
E a casa?
Quello che conta è fare cose, se poi sono fatte a cazzo non importa.
Well I guess I’ve reached full girl life status now.
Having had a “fun” encounter with a drink spiking on Friday night I can confirm it sucks.
Still, I’m the danger remember. 🤦♀️
@vikki I'm so sorry, that sort of thing is so horrible and really knocks your sense of safety and trust in the world. Sending love X
@afewbugs ahh thank you, could have been worse, fortunately I spotted something was wrong fast, just another reminder of the additional risks I've got in my life now.
Most days my two laptops just sit on the desk, switched off. Resting their RAM. Like a retirement home for computers
Ho quasi sessant'anni e per la prima volta sto seriamente pensando di astenermi dal votare alle prossime elezioni politiche. Ed è qualcosa che mi pesa moltissimo.
Sinceramente ci penso anch'io perché se la sinistra ci propone soltanto il solito discorso tipo 'votare noi per non votare loro' siamo fregati ancora una volta qualsiasi voto diamo.
E allora stesso suggerimento anche a te. Tanto a decidere di non andare a votare si fa sempre in tempo.
E comunque, se decidessi di non votare andrei lo stesso al seggio per votare scheda bianca. Almeno non finirei nella statistica insieme a quelli a cui non importa niente. 😁
Location: Firenze
@max
Come dici, c'è ancora tempo per pensarci ma se nel frattempo non si cerca di far muovere i politici di sinistra dimostrando la poca stima per i loro atteggiamenti di auto-compiacimento (self-satisfaction), la scheda bianca è in un certo senso un'arresa.
Quando usciamo dalla cabina elettorale dovremmo poterci sentirci soddisfatti della nostra azione e le nostre intenzioni, non vergognarci di esserci adeguati.
Comunque, c'è ancora tempo per nuovi sviluppi positivi...
No, penso che non ci sia tempo per sviluppi positivi. M5S e PD non possono governare insieme. Non c'è nulla che me lo faccia pensare.
Tutto quello che può succedere è che pur di arrivare al governo facciano un cartello elettorale ("alleanza" mi sembra esagerato) che entrerà in crisi alla prima decisione importante.
E allora sì che poi il paese svolterà a destra come si deve...
@thatgiga hai visto il partito capibara?
A parte il chi/cosa, io sono sempre dell'idea che sia più efficace come messaggio andare ed annullare la scheda: stando a casa puoi (e ti faranno) rientrare nel calderone dei pigri. Se abbastanza persone si prendessero la briga di andare alle urne per annullare le schede, invece, il messaggio che nessuno dei candidati le rappresenta sarebbe meno facilmente ignorabile
@electricsheep @thatgiga al contrario, io non ho mai votato alle poltiche, tranne la prima volta, per provare, e ora stavo pensando se valeva la pena di tagliarsi i coglioni per far dispetto alla moglie. secondo bocchino l'astensione dimostra che tanta gente pensa che tutto sommato chiunque vinca la democrazia è solida. invece è che chiunque voti poi ti senti in colpa.
@RinaldoGiorgetti @d10c4n3 @electricsheep @thatgiga
Tempi duri, il mio s'è già bardato e si protegge.
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Un pupazzetto di gomma di capibara con una tartaruga sul petto e sulla faccia un fazzoletto nero a mo' di bardatura.
@electricsheep @thatgiga
Potrebbe essere un'idea che tutti quelli che volessero annullare la scheda, lo facessero scrivendoci sopra la stessa identica cosa. Assomiglierebbe a votare un partito e non passerebbe inosservato
Ho sempre avuto un approccio laico alle elezioni: un partito politico non è un matrimonio, è un autobus che va più o meno dove vuoi andare tu.
Non ho mai avuto problemi a votare partiti minoritari, non vivo le elezioni come una competizione da vincere.
Conservo ancora un grado di rispetto per l'istituto del voto che mi rende annullare la scheda ancora più pesante che astenermi.
@max @electricsheep, ultimamente seguo @possibile ma poi li trovo questi partiti sulla scheda?
@thatgiga @max @possibile possibile l'ho votato alle ultime elezioni. Il partito non c'era ma c'erano i suoi candidati nelle liste di altri partiti (nel mio seggio in AVS). C'è da fare lo sforzo in più di seguirli e accettare il compromesso di non stare dando il voto solo a loro per come funzionano le preferenze comunque
@thatgiga @max @electricsheep Tempo fa @possibile era in alcune liste (non tutte) della coalizione AVS, poi non so, non seguo più da un paio d'anni, a parte qualche articolo di Civati. E pensare che ero pure tesserato.
@lelevup @thatgiga @max @electricsheep @possibile ma sbaglio o avevano anche una presenza sul Fediverso? O li confondo con qualcun altro?
@oblomov no, non siamo un account ufficiale. Possibile nel Fediverso non c'è; ci sono solo persone che hanno ritenuto utile diffondere il loro feed. Ho già chiesto a @davidesera di Possibile se può chiedere al suo partito di prendersi questo account o di aprire un altro account ufficiale o semplicemente di farmi sapere se la segreteria desidera chiudere questo account, ma non ho mai avuto un riscontro
@thatgiga @max @electricsheep @possibile sta nella coalizione di AVS all'interno del c.d. campo largo
@ju trovo Conte invotabile. Piuttosto riempio la scheda di cazzetti. 😄
@thatgiga bravo!
Fagliela vedere a questi politici!
Così imparano!
Peccato che così meloni ti tolga la pensione!
@thatgiga È proprio a chi non è di destra, critico e scettico, che bisogna chiedere di votare. Gli errori dei partiti di sinistra li conosciamo.
Ma restare a casa non li punisce: aiuta una destra lontana da uguaglianza, diritti, europeismo e clima, e con i numeri giusti capace di cambiare la Costituzione senza referendum.
@thatgiga
L' unica volta che ho bigiato sono tornati al governo i fascisti, neanche se mi paga 1000 $ trump mancherei...
Ti capisco benissimo ma prima di decidere prova a dare un'occhiata a Volt Italia, io mi ci sono addirittura iscritto.
E poi magari decidi che non vanno bene neanche loro e non voti, va benissimo. Però magari, chissà...
@thatgiga l'astensione non risolve molto... Io sono entrato nel Movimento da poco, una volta che ha chiarito da che parte sta, e si è evoluto parecchio! Gli errori e le infiltrazioni ci sono stati, ma resta il fenomeno dal basso più interessante degli ultimi anni. Vi consiglio di guardare gli interventi che ci sono stati a Nova (la convènscion cinquestelle) e il programma che ne è nato.
@ju @thatgiga servirebbe qualche dato a riguardo... Altrimenti resta un'opinione, e tale opinione si può applicare a qualsiasi organizzazione politica! Io sto partecipando, già solo portare certi temi (software libero, realtà indipendenti, arte come lavoro etc) all'interno del gruppo territoriale rende questi temi visibili, se vi sta antipatico il movimento fatelo in qualsiasi altro partito ma partecipate e portate la vostra voce, perché votare serve a poco se non c'è un cambio culturale.
Io la mia parte l'ho fatta, ti ho informato che ti stanno manipolando.
Ora, quel che dico io conta il giusto, te naturalmente puoi fare quel che vuoi: cerca i dati se ti va, non cercarli se non ti va, fai domande scomode, metti in dubbio, guardati attorno. Oppure non fare nulla di tutto questo e lascia che la mia informazione cada nel vuoto.
Non è un mio problema cosa ci fai con la mia informazione, ma tuo, usala liberamente.
@thatgiga
Vota Meloni.
È da quattro anni che non fanno praticamente un tubo, ora stan chiudendo la legislatura con "bonus", debiti ed esenzioni fiscali che reggeranno al massimo un anno: così se li troverà sul groppone il prossimo governo.
Han già fatto i conti, come durante il governo Draghi, per lasciare la patata bollente, fare i vittimisti e poi tornare con una maggioranza enorme.
Votiamoli, così l'anno prossimo toccherà a loro render conto delle loro boiate.
E si troveranno mezza Italia in piazza: per toglierseli dalle scatole servono le brutte maniere.
@thatgiga pure io sono orfano della sinistra
Ma piuttosto voto un partitino che probabilmente non ce la farà
Astensione o scheda bianca no, non me ne frega niente di mandare messaggi, tanto se vogliono ascoltare ormai i messaggi li hanno ricevuti, ma non vogliono ascoltare
Voglio che qualcuno faccia qualcosa
@thatgiga io sono in linea con @DarioZanette
Qualsiasi cosa che non sia dalla parte dei fasci. Resistere sempre 💪🏼 e anche votare sempre.
Da un post di:
@filobus https://sociale.network/@filobus/117543633103521786
nasce un #sondaggio di un certo spessore...
🔁 condivisione gradita
Secondo te, questa mossa serve a:
| Renderci più responsabili: | 4 |
| Farci venire i sensi di colpa: | 6 |
| Entrambe le cose: | 2 |
| Altro (specifica se ti va): | 5 |
Closed
(Questi i fatti. Poi eh...ho anche opinioni a riguardo, ma se comincio a spiegarle il post diventa lunghissimo)
La mossa per sensibilizzarci sui costi sanitari porterà qualcuno a farsi venire i sensi di colpa?
Lo vedremo... 🤷
@ALFA Mi pare che nel Lazio le fatture rilasciate dalle ASL (almeno la mia) già riportino il costo intero della prestazione…
I just adore these little porcelain fungi. They’re bejeweling the park this week. Shows why you shouldn’t just “clean up” old or sick trees when they’re not a danger to anyone. Even a dead tree is an integral part of the forest ecosystem.
#fungi #nature #Mosstodon #photography
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Underside of white translucent mushrooms attached to a tree.
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Underside of white translucent mushrooms attached to a tree in a cluster.
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The side of white translucent mushrooms attached to a tree. It shows of the shiny nearly glass looking tops of the mushrooms.
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Clusters of white translucent mushrooms attached to a moss covered tree.
The state of tech has been dire for many years, and I am not convinced that genAI companies imploding will materially fix the problem. People have not cared about the quality of their work in tech for many years. I would say the decline really began around the start of the Great Recession, although there were issues before that.
Maintainer burnout and widespread cultural hostility in open-source (I would argue these two feed each other in part, but it's not the whole story for either) have caused an environment where people turn to AI because it's physically exhausting to maintain things and has been for some time. "Find someone to maintain it." People don't want to do that. Trust me. If they did, you'd see more forks of slopified projects that aren't text editors.
Commercial software has always been kinda shitty to some degree because the company needs to turn a profit, so the incentive is “release the bare minimum thing that works and doesn’t piss off the customer.”
@Elizafox Yeah, is a set of social things that are in set from years and AI is just that tip that is showing the cracks.
It's from some years that I don't like much the direction that Linux has taken, not just after this AI boom. A mentality that I think in past was tied more with Windows and commercial OS, and then crept into FOSS more it become popular within years.
And I don't think is going to end well either, but is going to take some years before we are going to see the outcome.
@Elizafox I really wonder what would it take for companies to actually release quality products again. I'm not just talking about software but physical products as well. The real "enshittification" came after 2021 or so, but the decline began already somewhere around 2015.
Around that time Windows 8 (2013) was released when QA was largely thrown out the window at an increasing number of companies and feature-completeness went downhill while the amount of bugs went up.
Even the experimentative product releases that were a sign of the mid-2000s are long gone as well.
@Elizafox Old fart bias here, but I have recently installed Windows XP with some accessory software on a 2006 laptop that's going to stay airgapped forever, and 20-25 years-old desktop software runs circles around their web equivalent, it's more coherently designed, it's fast and work well.
And that's windows XP, folks, not OSX Snow Leopard, so go figure.
Is X11 versus Wayland the new vi versus emacs war, or have we blown straight past it to ChatGPT versus Claude wars?
@cstross It's just the usual "this thing isn't new and shiny enough, let's replace it with something half baked and much less well documented".
@cstross not sure it's comparable to either - given IIRC most of the developers moved on from X.org to Wayland?
On the user side, I'd say more Vi vs Emacs - no inflated threat of Armageddon from either camp 🫠
@cstross but but but wayland fixes all the things that weren't broken in x11 in the same way that systemd fixed all the things that weren't wrong with init
@cstross vi is better than weyland… 🙃
it's closer to sysinit v. systemd, surely? emacs was not designed to replace vi, nor vice-versa.
@cstross Wayland seems to use modern gpu-on-chip abilities far better than x11, but it's absolutely shite for people who need screen readers or other assistive technology.
Just like Emacs is better for doing lots of things, but is shite for anyone with a normal number of thumbs.
So, yeah, they're the same!
@dgold And that's without getting into SysV init scripts versus SystemD (SystemD aka "Linux but make it more like Windows Vista so the grown-ups respect it").
@cstross I don't think it really works out in terms of most traditional wars. Maybe "old, very crusty, works the way curmudgeons want things then, now and forever" vs. "appealing new concepts, so much revolutionary zeal that everything must break with the old (especially parts that curmudgeons like), sometimes to the point of self-sabotage".
If you're not familiar with the Thirty Years' Wars going on here, "should applications be allowed to move their own windows" is one of the big ones that is already halfway to 30. I don't think the trenches have moved very much despite shelling going on non-stop.
@redsakana Load-bearing infrastructure should be built like bridges (design life: 75 years plus margin of error) or even sewers (design life: 150 years). I submit that at this point, UNIX (inc. Linux) has been around since 1972, is absolute bedrock for modern IT, and should be considered load-bearing infrastructure. Expecting everyone to drop everything and migrate to a new way of doing things every 5 or even 2 years is utter madness.
@cstross @redsakana the load-bearing parts of UNIX are not GUI-based, though, except for Android, where the GUI is neither X11 nor Wayland.
ChromeOS does use Wayland, and I suspect it has more users than all Linux desktop distros combined, but it is being sunsetted for the Android-based Googlebook OS.
Neither X11 nor Wayland have the elegance of the PostScript-based Sun NeWS, which is closer in principle to how macOS' NeXTstep-originated graphics stack works than to Linux's.
@cstross @redsakana I've been hearing nattering about Wayland for a lot longer than 5 years. TBH I don't much care so long as my preferred window manager is available, but shockingly nobody has reimplemented WindowMaker on Wayland so I am still running X11.
@cstross @redsakana It's really interesting in that we always had that disconnect with the industrial control world. One reason they sometimes adopted Linux is because they wanted something they could mostly disconnect from the internet, keep on a prehistoric version and maintain for the lifetime of the attached machine - which was often 30 years or more. Some of them are still on DOS by choice.
At least they got it - big corporate wanted no changes but every security hole fixed 8)
@cstross
Except that everything from the 70s is a pre-alpha toy version that escaped the lab because it was too useful even knowing how broken it is.
@cstross Not really. The ability to start with an X11 session is being removed in KDE as of 6.8 and was already removed in Gnome 50 this March. I don't think there's much of a war when the two biggest desktop environments are dropping support like this.
(X11 apps can still run on both.)
@cstross
are these happening? I thought people just changed whenever pricing changed?
(Which is terrible for the environment, but also terrible for the companies forced into a price war as they try to IPO to have cash on hand to meet their obligations. Capitalists, hanging and rope salespeople...)
@cstross
Wayland is the X11 actual developers finally giving up and going back to the drawing board.
They also have way too much installed base, so it's both overly complicated and missing (your) key feature.
But X is dead because we can't even pay people to work on it anymore. We are long past programmers scratching their own itches and improving it.
Austrian Martin Sellner, a self-described ex-neonazi, who travels Europe to argue that foreigners should be deported, is now mad that France has deported HIM, a foreigner to France.
@randahl you can't make these people up! I'm assuming he has v little melatonin so doesn't think he should count as a foreigner.
@randahl those people are all sore losers. Every time, someone gives them their own medicine, they start crying and complaining about that they've been treated unfairly. Just look at basically all voting results over the last weeks.
@randahl
* Sarcasm mode on. *
I'm a bit confused now. Hasn't it long been proven that foreigners are always different people but never the superior white man himself?
* Sarcasm mode off *
@randahl Deporting foreign Nazis sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Bad enough, most countries have to cope with the home-grown variant, which is more complicated to control.
I recently heard in Austrian TV someone say "Remigria di söba, Deppata" regarding Sellner, what literally translates to "Go and remigrate yourself, dumbass!"
@randahl bUtButBuTBUT he's a little Herrenvolk Shite (thanks to The Pogues for that fine label) so how could he possibly suspect that he might be subjected to the assholery they intended to be used only for Brown People, himself. His two brain cells cannot compute this.
RE: https://isdream.ing/@mookie/117538591236341191
I have been daydreaming about gathering together a metric buttload of sticks of DRAM (psst: ancient will do, doesn't matter if it's measured in kilobytes or megabytes) and building a bonfire of them outside Altman's home, just to make him weep.
Futile, I know, and probably polluting, but so much fun!
Sam Altman said it's "quite terrible to have everybody have a bunch of the world's limited supply" of DRAM sitting in personal computers.
You know what Sam? I think that it's quite terrible to have all the billionaires have a bunch of the world's money sitting around in their personal bank accounts unused when there are people living on the streets and children going hungry.
And also, as always: Go fuck yourself Sam Altman.
@cstross
I think the main thrust of his statement is not that he should have all the ram. It's that the rest of us should have none.
I suspect they're deliberately trying to kill off open computing platforms, so people have nowhere to go but the cloud providers.
@cstross Very bold of you to assume Sam Altman has tear ducts.
@cstross This mostly shows that Altman has no clue what he is saying. The average PC has 16 GB, there are around 1.5 billion PC, so we end up around 24 hexabytes. Estimated total data-center RAM is between 50 and 100 hexabytes…
@cstross maybe instead we can work collectively and air deliver it to his house by the ton dropped from a kilometer up.
It just has to *look* like DRAM.
Carved wood, enviro friendly3d printing (is there such a thing?), papier mache, ...
@cstross
Don't burn them.
Drop them, by drone. Individually.
So he has to employ a staff member to pick them up.
He'll modify a Roomba, won't he?
@cstross I always found the concept of wrecking fest parties very entertaining.
Get a sledgehammer out in some driving music and wreck a building.
So far I thought in ruined buildings but I start to see the appeal of doing it to owned villa's of people that don't have a single Braincell for empathy or decent behaviour.
I am sure is quite accidental that this seem to be allk this rich person's "that worked so hard for their success and bear so much responsibility" ...
Probably just my imagination...
Mi raccomando di tenere in casa i gatti stanotte, specialmente se neri, perché gli umani sono molto molto stupidi.
Comunque qualcun altro deve essersi incazzato perchè verso le 11 il tunz tun tunz tun tunz BOOOM BOOOM tunz s'è bruscamente interrotto ed è tornata la quiete.
(é un palazzo con appartamenti, ma per ricchi. Qua il paesello ultimamente sta diventando un posto di gente ricca che viene a vivere in collina ma non troppo lontano dalla città. Il risultato è che tutto costa di più e si vive un poco più di merda tutti.)
In qualche maniera è sopravvissuta 12 anni oltre le aspettative di tutti, passando attraverso un'infezione al fegato 3 anni fa, che fa 3 anni in più oltre le aspettative di tutti.
Ultimamente non è stata benissimo, ma è in ripresa.
La speranza è che continui ad andare per molti anni molto oltre le aspettative di tutti.
❤️❤️❤️
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La Gatta Picù com'era quando l'abbiamo trovata: piccolissima e assai miseranda.
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La gatta Picù com'è adesso: tondissima e beata in un nido di coperte.
Happy Halloween from Cat News! We hope all your cats are communing with mysterious spirits and being appropriately spooky. Cats are definitely more magic than they let on.
#cats #cat #CatNews #CatsOfMastodon #Caturday #Halloween
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A cartton of a black cat sitting next to two pumpkins with carved cat faces.
@cat_news Cats do all the magic. Witches just take the credit.
@PeteBleackley I think theres plenty of magic to go around, the witches are just as magic, cats are just more sneaky about it
To this day, when discussing the Luddites, there are two competing narratives.
The first is the anti-Luddite narrative. It essentially states they were were ignorant anti-progress craftsmen who smashed up machines and inevitably lost. This is essentially the “official” narrative.
The other is the pro-Luddite narrative. It states that skilled workers correctly recognised that industrial capitalism was destroying their livelihoods, resisted exploitation, and were brutally suppressed by the state.
Both sides actually contain elements of historical truth. It wasn’t as simple as them being good or bad. A lot of context is left out.
What’s left out of both discussions I think is the unique socioeconomic conditions that made the movement possible to begin with, and honestly a story of how violent revolt doesn’t always work out in favour of the people.
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@Elizafox So you made a "thread" about textile workers... Interesting 🤭. I hope you used a spinning wheel at least, and not a water frame 😂 /joke
The Luddites were already experiencing an economic crisis. This part gets neglected by both pro- and anti-Luddite camps.
For context: the Luddites were a group of knitters, woollen croppers, and cotton weavers in northern England in the 1810s. They were not just a bunch of random anti-industrialists.
Most importantly, and I think this gets left out a lot: the Luddites weren't prosperous artisans who hated that machines existed and took their jobs, and had a mass crashout. Their economic situation had been deteriorating for decades. They were pushed to the breaking point by circumstance and the intersection of several complex factors, not just industrialisation.
To start: the historical record shows wage disputes and petitions going back to the 18th century, long before the famous Luddite uprising.
One of the bigger things that made conditions so dire were the Napoleonic Wars. The Napoleonic Wars wrecked trade in Europe, destroyed export markets, and caused food prices to skyrocket. This put pressure on already poor and marginal workers.
Also, dress preferences were changing. Men’s stockings fell out of fashion, and trousers were becoming popular. This actually matters enormously; the Luddites were slow to adapt to these changes in fashion, and knitting also simply wasn’t needed in trousers. The decline of hosiery was already threatening their livelihoods.
The framework knitting labour market in northern England already had more workers than was required. Oversupply of workers was a chronic issue. Too many people entered the trade even before the aforementioned declines. (Edit: it’s worth noting that hosiery companies at the time also kept a chronic oversupply of workers on purpose, so they could easily hire in boom times).
Wider knitting frames and cheaper manufacturing techniques and machines reduced the value of traditional knitting skills and the whole ecosystem around it. This put pressure on an already stressed group.
Workers had already tried petitions, negotiations and collective organisation, with little success.
These weren’t all consequences of industrialisation. Some of these were independent economic shocks that made the introduction of machines far more threatening to them.
In essence, industrialisation wasn’t the original cause of their impoverishment. It was one of several forces accelerating an existing crisis.
This paper by Matthew Roberts is also illustrative, “Rural Luddism and the Makeshift Economy of the Nottinghamshire Framework Knitters”: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03071022.2017.1327644
In this paper, Roberts argues that Nottinghamshire Luddism needs to be understood through rural poverty, informal economic survival strategies, and older traditions of popular protest. It was not just about wages and machines. This complicates the familiar image of a unified proto-Socialist movement fighting industrial Capitalism; these people had a tradition of protest far predating it. It also complicates the idea that these workers simply wanted to preserve an economically sustainable way of life. Some of the conditions they wanted to be restored had already been undermined by changes in trade, demand and labour supply.
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Now to be fair to the Luddites, they had tried other means to improve their conditions: collective bargaining, job action, etc. Furthermore, they weren’t irrational about their immediate targets. Breaking expensive machinery could impose major expense on employers, discourage particular production practices, and demonstrate that workers possessed collective power. And also, sometimes it did produce concessions.
For example, Nottinghamshire hosiers and knitters reached a wage agreement in December 1811. However, some employers refused to honour it, and the attacks resumed.
That said, their strategy had some serious structural issues.
For one, destroying machinery didn’t address the underlying economic crisis. It couldn’t fix the export markets, reverse fashion trends, or fix the fact there were too many hosiers and knitters or associated tradesman in northern England, particularly Nottinghamshire.
Second, it couldn’t permanently prevent mechanisation. Even successful attacks on individual manufacturers did not eliminate the financial incentives for adopting cheaper production methods. It was simply too efficient.
Third, escalating violence exposed the movement to overwhelming state power. The English government has a long and storied history of suppressing popular revolt, and this was no exception. This was also the era of the Bloody Code, where over 200 offences were theoretically capital crimes, particularly property crimes. Parliament made machine-breaking another one of these capital offences in 1812. Troops were deployed, workers were executed, and others were transported abroad. I will talk about this more in a moment, because it is worth discussing.
So, one must ask the question: why did England suppress the Luddites with such violence?
Well actually, people at the time explicitly argued that threatening the Luddites with execution could make the situation worse. Parliamentary debates illustrate that opponents warned that capital punishment could make witnesses less willing to testify, strengthen the Luddites’ secrecy and solidarity, and fail to address the underlying economic distress. Even Lord Byron spoke against the legislation in the House of Lords.
Yet, others argued that severe punishment was essential to restoring public order and deterring attacks. There was an obsession with public order in this era, and a belief in violent deterrence.
But also: the Luddites themselves sometimes threatened informants with death. They actually killed suspected informants. Which as we all know, an angry mob surely will never get it wrong. So… it wasn’t like the state were the only violent actors.
It’s also worth noting that the Luddites existed before modern democracy. Britain was overwhelmingly run by the nobility and wealthy classes. The people had essentially no voice. Most people couldn’t vote, and in many places elections were outright a sham. There was agitation already against this, and the Bloody Code was a reaction to protect the upper classes from the wrath of the people. (Edit: there was also a belief in the time that deterring property crime was paramount to preserving order, and that deterrence through transportation abroad or execution was the correct means. It also helped populate Britain’s colonies abroad and in their view removed “undesirable” people from the country, so there were incentives to preserve the system. Justice at the time was even more classist than today — even as bad as it is — and your station determined not only if you got justice but the social class of the one committing the crime also determined the punishment, if any.)
The Luddites are best understood in this context, I think; other forms of bargaining, action, etc. weren’t likely to be effective. They hadn’t worked before, anyway. This in addition to their existing traditions of popular protest and informal survival strategies on top of desperation virtually guaranteed a brutal response.
However, it is worth noting that violence caused the government to impose a settlement it already favoured: imposition of state power to preserve the system and change nothing. It is best understood at the time that the wealthy and the government were one and the same, more so than perhaps even today.
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So in all of this, there’s a distinction between understandable and effective. I argue this is a distinction necessary to evaluate Luddism properly.
A desperate worker can have legitimate grievances, hate their exploitation, and still adopt a strategy that ultimately makes their situation worse.
Likewise, technological innovation can improve overall economic productivity while inflicting devastating, uncompensated losses on particular communities.
Both of these things are true at once.
I argue it’s possible to sympathise with the Luddites without treating every tactical decision they made as justified or successful.
But I also believe that there’s a certain unjustified romanticism of their struggle in hindsight. Their objectives weren’t necessarily equivalent to modern aspirations for universal labour rights or broadly shared technological prosperity. Some demands involved preserving established trades, customary wages (wages at the time were largely fixed and dictated by custom), and skilled workers’ control over entry into their occupations. Yes, back then, as now, traditional craftsmen largely gatekept and controlled access to their occupation.
That doesn't make them an illegitimate movement, and there’s parallels to today, but it makes them historically specific.
I would argue the modern analogy is more complicated than people want it to be.
Obviously, much of the renewed interest in the Luddites comes from debates about AI and automation.
People understandably see parallels between 19th-century textile workers and contemporary professionals confronting technologies that threaten to devalue their skills.
But the historical lesson isn’t simply that automation is bad, or that workers should or shouldn’t resist it.
In my view, it raises a more difficult question: what happens when an economically vulnerable population already in crisis experiences technological displacement, without institutions capable of distributing the benefits or cushioning the losses?
When people can’t collectively be heard or have their grievances addressed adequately, they may resort to tactics that demonstrate their desperation without actually improving their bargaining position.
The tragedy is that the Luddites had real economic grievances, but neither their attempts at negotiation nor their subsequent violence produced a lasting solution.
The broader lesson in my view isn’t necessarily that revolt is futile. It’s that having a justified grievance, possessing collective power, and having a viable strategy for changing economic institutions are three very different things.
@Elizafox this was a beautiful thread, thank you very much for sharing.
There's one part in particular that struck me.
> there was also a belief in the time that deterring property crime was paramount to preserving order
This is one of those ideas (property rights above anything, property rights as natural, inalienable rights, as fundamental for a society) that has seeped deeply into right-wing libertarianism (the US brand, shall we say) that is really telling on the roots on the movement.
@Elizafox In this class of situations, I really like bringing up the equity-sensing capuchin monkeys. Nobody is going to stoop as low as to make "What a silly monkey to throw a cucumber in the face of the researcher!" argument, which gives the point of the monkeys' logic a chance to shine through the duckthink.
Oaks have depth.
#FallColors
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Photo taken right up in the leaves of an oak tree, turning orange-red-brown in the fall, with undulating outlines and shadows, against blue sky.
@dillyd I love the shapes of oak leaves.
@SunnJax they're so fascinating. Also the variety! The pointy red oaks, the curvy white oaks, and I even have a shingle oak, which I wouldn't have known was an oak. We call it Brigitte Bardot (bardeau, same pronunciation, means shingle in French.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_imbricaria
@dillyd Brigitte Bardot — I like that! 😀
I have a gambel oak that I got free from my city a year-and-a-half ago. Critters tried to destroy it after I planted it, so it’s heavily protected until it gets better established. It recovered pretty well this year and has some really pretty leaves. It’s more of a shrub than a tree, and once established is supposed to form a thicket. I’m looking forward to that, hopefully. 🤞🏽
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Looking down at the top of a gambel oak plant growing inside protective wire fencing. There are two stems growing from the bottom of the plant, and each stem has several leaves arrayed around it. The leaves are dark green with wavy, rounded, lobed edges and prominent, branching veins in each leaf.
@dillyd There's a small grove nearby, I was just thinking about how long they hang onto their leaves.
@sunumbral my tree hung on to one cluster of leaves from last fall, all through the winter spring and summer
RE: https://rpi0w.stefanomarinelli.it/@stefano/01a19327-0d78-703f-8c77-6cb10e4b714b
My instance is different!
Today, a friend sold me his "old" 3D printer, and a whole new world opened up to me.
And yes, my instance just got a little prettier.
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A close-up of a Raspberry Pi Zero W in a custom white 3D-printed case, resting on a polished wooden table. The case features an embossed littleFedi logo and name on its textured surface, with a long opening exposing the GPIO pins and cutouts providing access to the board's ports.
@stefano A little house for littleFedi 🏡
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe pretty neat :) one day there may be a gold replica of this... ;)
@rqm I'm ordering some other colours. I'm getting so excited with this printer 😄
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe What type did you get?
@rqm it's a Bambu Lab A1 Mini - he bought a larger one but didn't want to sell it to some strangers, as it's a good printer. So...deal! 😉
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe Those are really good. My sister has the bigger sibling of that model and I really liked it when she demoed it at hers. What tools can you use with it on *BSD?
Happy Halloween!
#DogsOfMastodon #EwoksOfMastodon #ewok
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A small gray dog dressed in an ewok costume. He's overdue for a haircut, which helps with the look. He really looks like an ewok. Could also pass as a gray Wookiee.
@dillyd puppy does not exactly seem thrilled. 🤔💚
@fitzbew248
He really doesn't like hoods. Same with his winter coat. I didn't subject him to it for long.
@dillyd boo!
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